Strange Bedfellows
It seems that last week that Yated printed an 'expose' of sorts about YCT. (You can read the whole expose here). The conclusion of the expose reads:
From all of the heartbreaking material that we have just read, it is clear that the “Open Orthodoxy” that YCT is teaching and advocating is a deviation from normative Orthodoxy. It clearly has violated numerous halachic opinions, including the most lenient, regarding pluralism and interfaith issues, and some have spouted outright kefira. Although it is a “Yeshiva” that touts itself as having “unequivocal commitment to the truth, validity and eternal applicability of the Halakhic system” it has clearly demonstrated that societal norms, “modern notions of egalitarianism” and a desire to tamper with Orthodoxy and halacha to fit those norms are its defining factor. YCT has clearly shown that it is not interested in unequivocally seeking what halacha says but rather it is determined to find what it deems as halachic precedent to fit its social and societal agenda and if it can’t, then it will bend or disregard halacha while simultaneously doing all within its power to protest that it is a Yeshiva that has fidelity to halacha. For, if YCT admits what they really are; a Yeshiva that does not conform with halacha, they have lost their reason to exist. It is clear that YCT was created to serve as an organization that will finally infiltrate the Orthodox establishment, Orthodox synagogues and implement fashionable social change — in many ways similar to what the early Conservative movement did. (At least the Conservatives had the courage to say that they were not Orthodox) This is evident by the material presented above as well as its questionable halachic practices with regard to women’s issues which we have avoided in this present article. (Perhaps we will deal with those in the future).A letter in this week's edition reads:
YCT seems to have unlimited resources, does not charge tuition and even gives financial stipends to its students. It is obviously being funded by those who seek to be called Orthodox, but who are interested in halacha conforming to their pre-conceived notions of what is right and not the opposite. In a way, YCT is acting in the tradition of the Maskilim of a previous era. Although they are not experiencing the success that the Maskilim had with the masses on an individual level, on a communal level, their efforts to conquer pulpits in communities across the United States and Canada is something that should concern every Jew who values kvod shomayim. It was with great reservation and heartache that we undertook to expose to our readers to the terribly destructive conduct of YCT. It is a responsibility that we undertook with great trepidation. As a Torah newspaper we hesitate to expose and pain our readership by enumerating the terribly distressing things contained within this article. Nevertheless, after watching YCT develop and spread with barely a peep of public outcry from the Modern / Centrist Orthodox establishment we felt compelled by the injunction of our sages, that state, “Bemakom she’ein ish, hishtadel lihiyos ish: In a place where there are no leaders; strive to be a leader (Avos 2-6).” The wider community must be made aware of this growing threat, this growing attack on the very foundations of our faith that is gathering strength. We hope that this small sampling of items will travel well beyond the natural constituency of Yated readers and serve as a point of discussion and most importantly a wake up call for all Jews, Right, Left or Center, who truly care about kvod shomyaim and the integrity of the Halachic system. We are well aware that we may be tarred as, lacking in Ahavat Yisrael, engaging in Motzee shem ra, lashon harah, shrill condemnations, being mean spirited etc. We think the facts speak for themselves. We challenge any person that seriously feels we have erred to deal with the issues and prove that the material mentioned above does not represent a violation of halacha as espoused by authentic halachic authorities. Those YCT faculty members who purport to call themselves students of Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik are challenged to prove that the above conduct would have been sanctioned by Rav Soloveitchik.
No amount of “good”, “no amount of “kiruv”, “combating assimilation” or any other justifications can rationalize this clear ziyuf—forgery of Orthodoxy practiced at YCT.
Dear Editor,
I greatly appreciated your article on this awful place of Jewish learning calling Yeshivat Chovevei Torah. Please forward to Yisroel Lichter my appreciation. The dangers posed by YCT on college campuses is great. They have basically taken over Columbia University. The Associate Rabbi at the Fifth Avenue Synagogue is a graduate of this place.
Mr. Lichter mentions that Edah is defunct. Edah is not defunct; it has just been taken over by YCT. He also alludes to the main reason why YU and other organizations cannot easily protest what is taking place at YCT. Many of the financial backers of YCT are also strong supporters of these organizations.
I hope that one day, in the near future, you will also write an exposé regarding another awful “yeshiva”, Yeshiva Bnai Torah, run by Rabbi Chait in Far Rockaway. The dangers they pose are as great as YCT.
Again, thanks for a great article.Please Do Not Print My Name
And there you go. Not two institutions I would normally associate, but what can you do?

23 Comments:
The two institutions are very similar. They both think one can read a Gemara and a Rishon and make halachic/hashkafic decisions independent of centuries of minhag and all of the Gedolei HaDor.
Arrogance by any other name reeks as much. at least at Bnei Torah [sic] they know how to learn.
Taking over Columbia. *LOL*. I doubt that Columbia would agree.
Can someone fill me in on the issue with b'nei torah? (No putdowns of the yeshiva/rabbi, just the ideological complaint please!!)
I ask this question in innocence.
I've only seen a couple of articles by R Chait in the past, and they seemed fine, well grounded in sources - actually very frum.
There does seem to be a Maimonidean strain - does that present an ideological problem?
R. Chait's hyper-rationalism would seem to me to be more dangerous (and foreign) to Judaism than YCT's egalitarian tendencies. At least to me.
I was not aware that lashon hara about institutions was permitted as long as it is cowardly transmitted via the internet!
If one has a problem with an individual or an institution, why don't they attempt to handle it privately?
We do not need Arabs to kill us! We do it to ourselves!
R. Chait's hyper-rationalism would seem to me to be more dangerous (and foreign) to Judaism than YCT's egalitarian tendencies. At least to me.
Greg:
Can you give some examples of Rabbi Chait's hyper-rationalism?
That would be interesting to see. I would be equally interested in hearing how Rabbi Chait or his talmidim make "halachic/ hashkafic decisions independent of centuries of minhag and all of the Gedolei HaDor". I am well aquainted with the Yeshiva, its Rebbeim and its Talmidim and have never seen examples of either.
If you want a real good laugh, read the letter to the yossed editor posted here:
http://seforim.blogspot.com/2007/02/rabbi-chaim-rapoport-open-letter-to.html
I too am fairly well acquainted with Rabbi Chait's Talmidim. They are some of the most sincere Bnei Torah that I know and many have gone on to be well respected Marbitzei Torah in their own right. Not once have I seen any of these Yorei Shomayim do something which was not firmly rooted in halacha. Moreover, I have heard numerous shiurim from these individuals and have never heard anything but finest brisker torah. Unfortunately, I suspect that much of what is being said here stems entirely from ignorance and/or jealousy.
BRISKER Torah?
Seriously?
You have GOT to get out more.
“Bemakom she’ein ish, hishtadel lihiyos ish: In a place where there are no leaders; strive to be a leader (Avos 2-6).”
As has been pointed out elsewhere, Yated editors are a bunch of ignoramuses.
greg- your comments are troubling. your intent is to question the reputation of Rabbi Chait and his talmidim and you proceed try to hedge your bets by saying it doesn't work for you. It's like a fellow who has a fish allergy who talks against fish. perhaps the focus should be you own failings and allergies to rational thinking than ybt.
I grew up in far rockaway and moved years ago but have always been impressed by the lomdus and halachic commitment of Rabbi Chait and his guys.
They sleep in the sukkah, daven vasikin and are makpid on minhagei yisrael. they don't tolerate 'shtik' which is rampant today and remind me of the litvishe yeshivas of old.
i am in chinuch and have the highest regard for the many mechanchim who i have met that are musmachim of ybt.
I am an individual that has been associated with Yeshiva B'nei Torah since 1989. Although I may be considered biased in my opinion regarding this issue, I can reassure the readers of this blog that the Yeshiva is dedicated to a strict adherence to halacha and in uncovering and understanding the fundamental principles of Yahadus. All of the negative statements made about Rabbi Chait and the Yeshiva in Yated and on the internet lacks any substantive information that indicates our Yeshiva is "dangerous." I encourage anyone out there who wishes to investigate this issue further to log onto www.ybt.org. There are numerous written essays and archived shiurim that can be listened to. I challenge anyone to find anything that is "dangerous." Furthermore, the next time someone makes an allegation, they should base themselves on evidence rather than just baseless defamation. In my opinion they Yated article was not a personal attack, but a reasonable discussion of the philosophy of YCT. I encourage the same discussion about Yeshiva B'nei Torah.
Maybe the problem is that they (like me) unknowingly pronounce R' Chait's name as חטא? :-)
(April 30, 1999)
Dear Rabbi Chait,
Congratulations on your 25th anniversary, Chag Hasemicha Dinner. As you know I have been involved with the Rebbeim and students of your Yeshiva in Far Rockaway for close to ten years. I became convinced that every student in Yeshiav B'nei Torah is a real Ben Torah and is imbued with a flame that emanates from the fire of Sinai. May you continue to have Hatzlacha as a Marbitz Torah Biyisrael.
Sincerely yours,
Rabbi Aaron Soloveichik
Note: Rabbi Aaron Soloveichik zt"l was a teacher and friend of the students and rebbeim at Yeshiva Bnei Torah, and gave shiur there on numerous occasions. The following letter was written by Rabbi Aaron Soloveitchik and printed in the Yeshiva Bnei Torah Twenty-Fifth Anniversary Dinner journal, which took place on Sunday, May 9, 1999.
This is the first time I've noticed, but it seems like the YBT people are the same as those who run the mesora.org website. I don't have much of a problem with the latter- I disagree with some points, that's all- but I can see how people would take offense.
Rabbi Avi Weiss and YBT are opposites, a rabbi of mine in high school was a musmach of rabbi Chait. One time we wanted to get someone to speak about pro Israel activism. This Rabbi mentioned, that we should try to bring Rabbi Avi Weiss. When I asked him why he wanted to bring Avi Weiss, isn't he a left wing loony, he told me, that haskafakilly, and with any regard to torah learning they totally disagree, but that we can learn a lot from Avi Weiss with regard to being pro Israel.
An analysis of the Yated's response to criticism of its article at http://www.avakesh.com/2007/03/yct_and_ytn_yes.html
I am friendly with the Rabbi that runs mesora.org. Though he studied at YBT, he does not represent its views completely. Stick to what's on ybt.org to judge YBT, and what's on mesora.org to judge mesora.org.
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MAY THE LORD HAVE MERCY ON ALL WHO HAVE SLANDERED AGAINST OUR GADOL; RABBI ISRAEL CHAIT. WORDS CANNOT DESCRIBE WHAT YOU ALL WILL FACE WHEN YOU ARISE TO HEAVEN!! THINK OF MIRYAM HANIVIYAH. SHE SLANDERED AGAINST MOSHE- LOOK WHAT HAPPENED- YOUR SLANDER IS MUCH WORSE. I KNOW THE CHAITS. THEY ARE MUCH HOLIER THAN YOU EVER WILL BE. SHOMAIR PESAYIM ADONAY!!! NOCHAYIMNOLIFE@GMAIL.COM
I am neither affiliated nor completely aware of either of the Yeshivas hashkafot, however, I think I have a valid point to make. First of all, this should absolutely not become a forum for lashon hara. As we all know, lashon hara has ripped apart our nation once, torn us from our Beis HaMikdash and our land, and continuing that trend only perpetuates the awfulness that stems from it. Secondly, and I do not mean disrespect anyone's views in any way shape or form; But i think one should be careful when referring to the Roshei Yeshiva of these institutions. For one, as previously noted, many people can and will become insulted if you disrespect their teachers. Secondly, and more importantly, we would not want this to become an issue of who we think is closer to Shamayim. As we all know, only Hashem has the Ability and Knowledge to decide who deserves a portion in the world to come.
Hashem should watch over all of you as you strive to reach closer to Him.
Regards,
BB
What really should be analyzed is the ideas the Yeshivos teach. The only way to do that is to talk to the hanhala of the Yeshivos.
We must separate the ideas taught from the person and see if they are Torah ideas or not.
If it is anti Torah, and even worse--Kefira then saying its Loshon Harah has no meaning. We cna not use thta to cover up A"Z ideas.
Truth is truth, we all should strive to find it, and we should not be afriad to denounce Kfira.
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